{"id":4562,"date":"2025-12-14T18:49:12","date_gmt":"2025-12-14T18:49:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/?p=4562"},"modified":"2025-12-14T18:49:13","modified_gmt":"2025-12-14T18:49:13","slug":"trump-2024-vegas-vs-trump-2016-bangor-rhetoric-and-cognition","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/?p=4562","title":{"rendered":"Trump 2024 (Vegas) vs. Trump 2016 (Bangor): Rhetoric and Cognition"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>By Lambert Strether of Corrente.<\/p>\n<p>Readers, this will be a short and, perhaps to some, overly sweet post. Over the course of campaign 2024, we\u2019ve had a flood of digital evidence (some genuine) that many speculate can be used to diagnose cognitive issues that President Biden (81) may have. We have also had a smaller counterflood of digital evidence making the same claim about former President Trump (78). In this post, I will not sort out these claims and counter-claims[1].<\/p>\n<p>I can, however, make one limited contribution to this debate: I saw then-candidate Trump on October 15, 2016, and posted on it (\u201cFear and Loathing at the Cross Arena in Bangor, Maine: Donald Trump Makes Headlines\u201c) In this post, I will compare Trump then, at the Cross Arena, to Trump now, in Las Vegas on June 9, 2024. By comparing the two speeches, I will make a purely subjective judgment on whether Trump\u2019s mental capacity has diminished, and then compare, at an overly highl level, the appeal that Trump is making to voters as a politician. I will then zero in on a few concrete policy proposals that Trump makes in Vegas.<\/p>\n<p>A note on method: Readers know I much prefer to work from transcripts over videos. For Vegas, I have a transcript (hat tip, alert reader marym for putting me onto it). For Bangor, the only possible transcript is from the miserably inadequate, then and now, closed captions of a YouTube live stream. So what I will do is set the Vegas transcript against my analysis of how Trump organized his Bangor speech, and my summaries of what he said.<\/p>\n<p>Bangor v. Vegas: Trump\u2019s Mental Acuity<\/p>\n<p>Trump as a speaker is improvisational, unlike every other politician in America (so no wonder the political class has consistently failed to understand him, and resorted to mockery). In Bangor:<\/p>\n<p>There was, in fact, a \u201cpolicy\u201d aspect to Trump\u2019s speech (the trade deals), and Trump made seven points on trade; at least I think it was seven. (The crowd booed TPP vigorously; they did not need to have the acronym expanded for them.) For the purposes of this post, I want to focus on how he made the points: He didn\u2019t just emit them in bulleted-list form. Rather, he treated them as waypoints. He\u2019d state the point, clearly and loudly, and then begin to move away from it in ever-widening circles, riffing jazzily on anecdotes, making jokes, introducing other talking points (\u201cWe\u2019re gonna build the wall\u201d), introducing additional anecdotes, until finally popping the topical stack and circling back to the next waypoint, which he would then state, clearly and loudly; rinse, repeat. The political class considers or at least claims Trump\u2019s speeches are random and disorganized, but they aren\u2019t; any speech and debate person who\u2019s done improvisation knows what\u2019s going on.<\/p>\n<p>Improvising like this is not at all easy. You have to be able to circle back to your starting point, otherwise you\u2019ll simply seem to be wandering around, lost. The two key points are \u201criffing jazzily\u201d and \u201ccircling back to the next waypoint.\u201d Here is an example from Vegas, on Biden\u2019s border policy (and you have to imagine Trump speaking, and not read this as if it were written). The waypoint is the border, which makes sense in Nevada:<\/p>\n<p>[TRUMP:] What he signed means nothing. In fact, it makes it easier. In my opinion, it opens the border still further. We have people coming into our country. We\u2019re going to end up making, and I say this and I say it all the time, November 5th will be the most important day in the history of our country. If Joe Biden truly wanted to sign an executive order to stop the invasion, right now, all he needs to do is say, I hereby immediately reinstate every single border policy of a gentleman named Donald J. Trump. He doesn\u2019t need anything. He could have done this. He\u2019s a little late, by the way. Number one, he\u2019s late. Number two, it\u2019s meaningless what he signed. It\u2019s just a PR ploy. As usual, it\u2019s disinformation, misinformation talk. They talk, talk, talk as our country goes down the tubes. Less than four years ago, I handed Crooked Joe the strongest, most secure border in the history of our country. We never had a border like that. We built 571 miles of border wall. It was unbelievable. We ended all catch and release. We had the remaining Mexico, safe, third country, and then we had also Title 42. You remember, everything was so good. If this guy just, you know he goes to the beach all the time.<\/p>\n<p>Now comes the riffing, where Trump manages to insult Biden for the famous incident of the beach chair and insulate himself against charges of being too old:<\/p>\n<p>[TRUMP:] Somebody thinks he looks good in a bathing suit; I don\u2019t think so. And he has that little chair that weighs about seven ounces. It\u2019s meant so children can lift it and very old people can lift it. And you know what? He\u2019s not old. He\u2019s incompetent. He\u2019s not old. He\u2019s not old. I know people that are 88, 89, 92. A man named Bernie Marcus, founder of Home Depot. Bernie Marcus is 95, I think. And he is 100, you talk to him, he\u2019s 100% sharp. This guy, there\u2019s just something missing. And there always has been, by the way. He always had the worst and dumbest foreign policy. There always has been. Under the Trump administration, if you cross our border illegally, we caught you and we brought you back. We took you back from where you came. It was very simple.<\/p>\n<p>Trump circles back to the border waypoint. <\/p>\n<p>An unexpected aspect in Bangor was Trump the comedian:<\/p>\n<p>TRUMP (paraphrasing): We won more votes in the primaries than any Republican! More than Romney, Bush, Dole, Nixon, Eisenhower \u2014 though in all fairness, Eisenhower won World War II.<\/p>\n<p>There was humor in Trump\u2019s Vegas speech also. Beginning once again with the border:<\/p>\n<p>[TRUMP:] We had the greatest\u2026 Think of it, all he had to do was leave my people in place, leave everybody in place, and he wouldn\u2019t be going through this right now. I think it\u2019s one of his many big problems. I think the Afghan situation was the most embarrassing day in the history of our country, actually. <\/p>\n<p>The riffing begins:<\/p>\n<p>He has a lot of bad days. I could name them. But we don\u2019t have enough time. We only have a few hours. We don\u2019t have enough time. And now, by the way, it\u2019s 110, but it doesn\u2019t feel it to me, right? So we\u2019ll stay out here for a little while. If anybody gets tired, you\u2019ll let me know. And if anybody goes down, if you start going down, we have people, they\u2019ll pick you up right away. They\u2019ll throw water. They were so worried. Everybody was so worried yesterday about you, and they never mentioned me.<\/p>\n<p>Rodney Dangerfield: \u201cI don\u2019t get no respect!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>[TRUMP:] I\u2019m up here sweating like a dog. The Secret Service said, \u201cWe have to make sure everyone\u2019s safe.\u201d I said, What about me? \u201cOh, we never thought of that.\u201d They don\u2019t think about me. I\u2019m working my ass off. I\u2019m working hard. This is hard work. Front-row Joe, front-row Joe. <\/p>\n<p>Not possible that Trump could be alluding to Arnade\u2019s \u201cfront row kids,\u201d so a transcription error. And:<\/p>\n<p>Under Biden, the invasion is a, just a disaster what\u2019s happened.<\/p>\n<p>Back to the waypoint.<\/p>\n<p>My extremely subjective view, then, is that from Trump\u2019s language, his mental acuity in 2024 is the same as it was in 2016: His techniques are the same; his humor is the same; the texture of his language is the same. You don\u2019t have to respect Trump\u2019s language, or even like it, but it has not changed. (It\u2019s also very, very hard to imagine Biden improvising in front of a crowd for over an hour. Trump makes a lot of jokes about teleprompters, underlining this difference.)<\/p>\n<p>Bangor v. Vegas: Trump\u2019s Appeal as a Politician<\/p>\n<p>I thought I would make word clouds of Bangor and Vegas, but unfortunately the software that did this, Wordle, seems no longer to be online. (Here is an example of a Wordle word cloud from 2016 for Clinton; beautiful!) However, after running through a bunch of sites that were impossible to use, or would process only 50 words, I was able to use an online, free substitute called WordCloud+ that would take the full speeches. Here are two.<\/p>\n<p>First, using the text of the YouTube closed caption transcript, Trump in Bangor, 2016:<\/p>\n<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/trump_bangor.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"378\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-273615\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/trump_bangor.png 600w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/trump_bangor-300x189.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Second, using the text of the @Rev transript quoted above:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/trump_vegas.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"340\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-273616\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/trump_vegas.png 600w, https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/trump_vegas-300x170.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\"\/><\/p>\n<p>You can immediately see the similarities, helpfully annotated with red boxes: \u201cPeople\u201d and \u201cCountry,\u201d from which I conclude that Trump is indeed a populist, though perhaps not quite as Thomas Frank conceives of the term. In Bangor, the subsidiary themes were jobs and trade, which played very well in a state like Maine where the mills kept closing (the crowd did not have to have what the acronym \u201cTPP\u201d meant explained to them). In Vegas, the subsidiary themes were the border, which played well in Nevada, with a marked disinction between \u201cwe\u201d and \u201cthey.\u201d As fascist legal theorist Carl Schmitt wrote in The Concept of the Political:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe political is the most intense and extreme antagonism, and every concrete antagonism becomes that much more political the closer it approaches the most extreme point, that of the friend-enemy grouping.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Of course, fascism is a richly furnished smorgasbord, and Trump is not the only one partaking of its delicacies.<\/p>\n<p>Bangor v. Vegas: Policy<\/p>\n<p>Stoller has a terrific post in his newsletter, \u201cWhy Has Trump Stopped Attacking Big Business?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Trump\u2019s 2024 economic frame is about nostalgia for the time he was in office, when he ran \u201cthe greatest economy in history\u201d with cheap gas, high wages, low immigration, and cheap money. By contrast, the Democrats, he said, are \u201ca party of misinformation, disinformation, cheating on elections, open borders, high interest rates, and high taxes.\u201d Rents are up and incomes are down, he told voters, because of the open border policy and the illegal immigrants brought here by \u201cCrooked Joe.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s fascinating is that he does not criticize big business, and doesn\u2019t much talk about jobs going to China or Mexico, though he does talk about tariffs. Instead, Trump has a couple of new themes. First, he argues that the war in Ukraine wouldn\u2019t have happened if he had been in office, and more broadly global leaders like Xi Jinping respected him in a way they don\u2019t respect Biden. (\u201cSo, Russia going into Ukraine would\u2019ve never happened. None of this stuff that you see would\u2019ve happened.\u201d) Second, he complains nonstop about electric cars. Third, he is now making arguments about gender questions like trans people playing in sports. Finally, he often talks about drilling for more fossil fuels, tax cuts, and deregulation.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, Trump sounds like he is the coalition leader of the Republican establishment. He\u2019s still funny, and he\u2019s still weird, and still iconoclastic in terms of his personality. But in terms of what he promises, he\u2019s mostly stopped challenging big corporations, except in cultural terms acceptable to Wall Street.<\/p>\n<p>All this is true (hat tip, Susie Wiles?). It also seems to be working at the polls (\u201cThat makes me smart\u201d). Nevertheless, Trump did make a few concrete policy proposals in Vegas \u2014 and not in Bangor \u2014 that Stoller, from his 30,000 foot view \u2014 might not have seen:<\/p>\n<p>[TRUMP:] So this is the first time I\u2019ve said this, and for those hotel workers and people that get tips, you\u2019re going to be very happy because when I get to office, we are going to not charge taxes on tips, people making tips. We are not going to do it, and we\u2019re going to do that right away, first thing in office because it\u2019s been a point of contention for years and years and years. And you do a great job of service. You take care of people, and I think it\u2019s going to be something that really is deserved.<\/p>\n<p>(Trump did, in fact, deliver on TPP to his Bangor audience, withdrawing from it in his first week.) Not taxing tips should play well among the Vegas casino workers. And:<\/p>\n<p>They\u2019re killing unions because the unions are not able to survive. They\u2019re not able to survive this onslaught. It\u2019s making them impossible. They\u2019ve worked hard. They\u2019ve worked long to get their salaries up a little bit. They\u2019re not able to do it. Virtually 100% of the new jobs under Biden have also gone to illegal aliens. Did you know that? 100%. And these people, are so bad they will correct me when I say 100%. 100% of the new jobs have gone to illegal aliens. Can you believe it? And that\u2019s where we are.<\/p>\n<p>Trump is wrong on the 100%, of course. What\u2019s interesting is that Trump frames this in terms of hurting unions, and Vegas is a union town.<\/p>\n<p>And a fine example of jazzy riffing ending at the border waypoint:<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, real wages of African-Americans and the workers from all over the world that came here legally, they\u2019re down 6% under Crooked Joe. And I had an idea because it\u2019s not as bad as I thought. I thought I\u2019d be wilting up here. The only thing that pisses me off are the teleprompters. It\u2019s so much easier. The only one that can\u2019t read a teleprompter is Joe Biden. It doesn\u2019t help him. But I thought what I\u2019d do is I\u2019d read if you want, should I do it? Because it\u2019s about the border.<\/p>\n<p>(I can\u2019t run down the 6% figure, but see Ferguson and Storm here.) Again, interesting that Trump frames this in terms of real wages.<\/p>\n<p>Regardless of whether the border is the driver \u2014 I don\u2019t believe it is \u2014 the audience will hear that Trump won\u2019t tax tips, wants real wages to rise, and supports unions. By definition, all that is attacking big business.<\/p>\n<p>Conclusion<\/p>\n<p>Trump gave a long speech, and I\u2019m skipping over a lot (including his criticism of electric cars, which was trenchant and IMNSHO at least partially correct[2]). However, I think we can conclude that Trump\u2019s mental acuity is undiminished, that his populism could be seen to have veered off in a Schmittian \u201cfriend and enemy\u201d direction, but that his populism can also be said to include on \u201ckitchen table\u201d issues, like tips, real wages, and unions, the first two certainly distinguishing him from Biden. (At this point we remember that under the CARES ACT, poverty actually diminished.) Trump, for good or ill, remains unique\u2026 <\/p>\n<p>NOTES<\/p>\n<p>[1] For the record: I am a lonely voice in this regard, but because I\u2019ve been blogging since the days of Terry Schiavo\u2019s brain damage, when M.D.s speaking in Congress diagnosed Schiavo\u2019s ability to regain consciousness by watching videos, I strongly oppose diagnosis via digital evidence in a politicized context. However, one can conclude that a candidate is too frail to be President without the diversionary and time-wasting specificity of a diagnosis, exactly in the same way that one can decide that an elderly relative should no longer be given the keys to the car (or, for that matter, the launch codes). <\/p>\n<p>[2] Trump says:<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s another thing, the truck is so heavy because batteries are very heavy. The truck weighs more than twice as much as a diesel truck. So what happens is they have to fix every bridge all over the United States to handle the weight. Every bridge has to be rebuilt because the weight is double and triple that of a gasoline or diesel tank truck. And you say to yourself, \u201cWho are these people that are destroying our country.<\/p>\n<p>This is the detail Trump would see, much as he disliked the Iraq War because of all the buildngs that were destroyed.<\/p>\n<div class=\"printfriendly pf-alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"border:none;-webkit-box-shadow:none; -moz-box-shadow: none; box-shadow:none; padding:0; margin:0\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn.printfriendly.com\/buttons\/print-button-gray.png\" alt=\"Print Friendly, PDF &amp; Email\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nakedcapitalism.com\/2024\/06\/trump-2024-vegas-vs-trump-2016-bangor-rhetoric-and-cognition.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Lambert Strether of Corrente. Readers, this will be a short and, perhaps to some, overly sweet post. Over the course of campaign 2024, we\u2019ve had a flood of digital evidence (some genuine) that many speculate can be used to diagnose cognitive issues that President Biden (81) may have. We have also had a smaller [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":4563,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"tdm_status":"","tdm_grid_status":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[35,34,36],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4562","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-berita-internasional","category-berita-dalam-negeri","category-berita-panas"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4562","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=4562"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4562\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11359,"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4562\/revisions\/11359"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/4563"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=4562"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=4562"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/uang69.id\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=4562"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}